Day 2-HCI 2.0: Humanity Deserves the Attention that the UX Research Has to Offer
Let’s jump right in, and talk through our responsibility as researchers
— Thing that fascinated me Rida about your journey is how your UXR on mobility platforms (in the US this was platforms like Uber, Postmates), and how differently they were being used in Southeast Asia
1. Can you tell me how research came to be, what you found out, and its impact on your current generative AI work?
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I began my research in Jakarta in 2016/2017 at a time where there were massive concerns in the United States on the impacts mobility platforms had on the labor market, drivers, exploitation
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There was a broad concerns about algorithms being the boss, and a lack of agency for drivers
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I went to Jakarta with similar narrative of how native Indonesian platforms were transforming the mobility market
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But there, pre-existing practices organized an unregulated market in Jakarta, and that market was still present despite the disruption
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The biggest difference was driver self-organizing around physical locations called base camps, which platforms wanted to remove
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Drivers continued their practice of participating in these camps—which had uniforms, badges, and even souvenirs and elections
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This was completely unexpected, in contrast to the USA
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This stuck with me, and the importance of grounded qual research, and developing relationship with people on ground
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The lessons I got were as follows:
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First: Context matters, and tech doesn’t have a consistent, universal impact. Designers assumptions of what tech will do varies from NY to Jakarta.
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To disrupt our own assumptions, we need to be talking with end-users
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Second: Once you put things out in the world, there will be a lot of innovation from the users
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Users are smart and innovative, and innovation comes from users rather than companies
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For Jakarta, MP assumed apps would connect drivers to riders, but mobility in SE Asia means you can’t show up wherever you want, and can’t wait on the street to be picked up
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So there were demand hotspots were where drivers couldn’t pick-up customers
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Drivers recognized this mis-match and created their own hacked apps
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This resolved a lot of problems specific to their local context— like auto-accepting orders
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Features were great, and mobility platforms even integrated them later with official platforms
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Give credit to users and context
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— So, don’t assume tech designed is the best solution, and will have expected impacts
Prayag: Important in context of companies like AI releasing features, but impact this has is unclear.
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Pravag: Mentioned being surprised by impact apps had on these communities relative to the US and North America. Idea of algorithm as boss didn’t apply in Global South.
Prayag: I see researchers as flag-bearers in our communities, and UXRs did try, but there was a gap between what company should build, and the what community actually needed. How can we as UXRs narrow this gap in engaging community and users, and what are our ethical responsibilities to do so?
— Rida: One thing to remember to recognize where it is that qual UXRs have power
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To discover rich insights on why something is happening and how
— Big chunk of this is that for generative AI, we have tools to bring insights through the AI pipeline
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For example AI-models are automated, but classifiers of ’toxic content’ have in-built assumptions as what is narrowly defined in US as ’toxic’
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As a qual researcher you can build evaluations to grasp the social context for toxicity and how things differ across the world
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There are limits to classification techniques, so we need qualitative UXR to get the foundational knowledge of the local context
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Qual expertise also pushes back against automated measures, and using human feedback for development pipelines, where people have checklist for toxic content
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But answers change on who and what and how you ask
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We can design better human-in-loop guidelines than what we have now, and think of limitations of what we have now
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— Prayag: To train algorithm on proper response to content, requires human input throughout
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In terms of AI platforms, do you feel there is still a gap from an ethical point of view from what companies are doing, and what needs to be done? Do you see the gaps persisting ?
— Rida: Thinking about things like context, on-the-ground impact, who is involved, complexity of world in general and impact won’t be neat and contained as we assume it will be
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We are often bringing in researchers at the end to test out the tech, as opposed to thinking of foundational insights as to whether the tech is useful or not
— Rida: We also need to recognize that different UXRs have different levels of agency, power, and social capital
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Researchers in this moment think of the power they can bring, and a big-picture plan that can be executed at different levels and ways
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Let’s say we want to make space for more diverse and inter-disciplinary conversations, like building humanistic tech
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This requires kind of expertise you may not have, which includes lived experience, and interaction with communities working on the issue
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— There are times where you have budget and space to do this, but sometimes you can’t
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So ask if you can partner with someone who can provide insights
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Ask if we can have conversations elsewhere?
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Don’t underestimate power of this
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Prayag: You spoke about power dynamics such as 1) Power imbalance between UXR and community and 2) Power balance UXR has within an org.
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Idea of bringing researchers in design process, and giving community power to say X is not helpful
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Power of UXR to bring this impact to bosses, and tell management that community doesn’t want tech
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How do you balance the power dynamics described above, along with an environment of dis-investment in research, and a fear of rocking the boat on the part of UXR?
— Rida: Want to focus on what we can do to balance out power differential between communities and UXR
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We need to be reflective of processes for research, and give space for what we’ve seen to challenge our own assumptions of expertise as researcher
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We don’t treat users as checkboxes
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Be wiling to throw out what you thought you knew, and recognize what you thinks makes no sense in a particular context
— Be aware of gaps in who you are talking to, and think who’s voices are missing, and the politics and power dynamics that are shaping conversation
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In many companies, desire for non-western research focusing on a single country like India
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But even in India there is a political landscape that is fragmented
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UXR is often done through vendors, and there is often a gap between researcher and underlying communities
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UXR draws up the protocols and sends it out
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I’m uncomfortable with this approach as it assumes our initial questions are alway correct
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— We shouldn’t let world of CS/STEM make us forget our power, and what we as researchers bring to the table
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Our power is permanent despite macro-economic conditions
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Being on look-out for opportunity to bring in other voices, and other perspectives
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We all have pockets of agency, and need to recognize what to do with power
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Prayag: Thank you for this talk Rida, we’ll take questions form audience
Questions
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Beyond critical reflexivity on dynamics of research process, how can we shift power within the community?
— We do think that when we talk through dynamics of research process and doing research of contexts that are not our own, this is key, as it will determine how you engage with community
— Often UXRs come in idea that they know better, and it’s hard to build trust with that attitude
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Invest in relationship building by partnering with local members of community who can vouch for you as important and recognize that process will be long, along with the norms of the community
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Don’t parachute in and out, and not think about impact you are having on the community
— In US we think of research in monetarily transactional way
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But in Jakarta, this approach couldn’t work, as people were welcoming you as a guest
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So other ways were needed to compensate them
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This included contributing to a community fund, and having tea together as equals,
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Be open to challenge assumptions of what relationships look like, and build relationships before you go in
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Need to be humble, and pre-build relationship with local partners before you go in
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This is absolutely critical, as parachuting of research is real
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— If you have to do parachuting, build relationships even when you are not in the field
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What was reaction of the mobility platforms to the driver’s base camps? Was it seen as problem, opportunity, something else?
— It was seen as both, as companies began building own base-camps, recognizing that the model of a constantly roving driver didn’t work in Jakarta
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Drivers put a lot of effort into building camps, and had to bear cost for building it out
— Big difference though, is that platform-run base camps that are more exclusionary, and more rules heavy, and are creating a rift in the community
— It’s an interesting moment on what the future of base camps are, whether they will be taken over, or co-opted
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Companies recognize base camp as good solution, but aren’t investing in their own camps
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This will take a lot of time to change this, as platforms were resistant to idea of base camps to begin with