{"id":239880,"date":"2023-10-30T11:12:30","date_gmt":"2023-10-30T15:12:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rosenfeldmedia.com\/?page_id=239880"},"modified":"2023-10-30T11:22:21","modified_gmt":"2023-10-30T15:22:21","slug":"pain-and-curiosity-precede-successful-design-systems-change-with-dan-mall","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/rosenfeldmedia.com\/podcasts\/pain-and-curiosity-precede-successful-design-systems-change-with-dan-mall\/","title":{"rendered":"Pain and Curiosity Precede Successful Design Systems Change with Dan Mall"},"content":{"rendered":"

While we\u2019ve been developing design systems for years, we\u2019re only just now learning how to create systems that are successful and sustainable. Dan Mall is the author of the soon-to-be released <\/span>Design That Scales: Creating a Sustainable Design System Practice<\/a>, <\/span><\/i>which explores the cultural elements that contribute to sustainable design systems.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Not surprisingly, it\u2019s usually pain that motivates change. In fact, companies occupying the number one spot in their respective markets usually have the least incentive\u00a0 to change. As the saying goes, \u201cNumber two tries harder.\u201d But even in the most-ready-for-change scenarios, design systems sit, at best, at a third level of priority. Dan asserts that the challenge is to approach design systems as a byproduct of the products and features that bring customers value. Otherwise, design systems will always be on the backburner.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Dan and Lou discuss tricky topics around design systems:<\/span><\/p>\n